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oh morning angel how'd you get this morning i felt really great all right move your arm move your arm okay sorry sorry i had this recurring thing that i just i kept thinking like it was you were running away from me oh you're kind of breathy this morning you just back up just like it was that that's what you said in the dream dream's reality no see right there those exhales of depression is what really supports okay well bring your nose up close and smell you ready for this yeah it's an all-new smartless [Music]
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[Applause] [Music] [Music] what do you got a coffee milkshake no i've got a um like a smoothie milkshake and some milk okay almond butter and you know just a bunch of like healthy stuff and mm-hmm have you guys seen i know jason you haven't the the original danish uh version of the the killing no i know i know i had you at danish because you're like what kind of cheese i've seen international that's funny yeah sure tell us about it it's good we can get in here with the scissors and cut this out go ahead my god it's so
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it's so so good okay wait i started watching boba fett that you have to check out oh that's just that's the new star wars one yeah sure did you did you and scotty put on your comfy couch socks and and and take in a couple of hours star wars onesies is it better than uh what's the other one that's on the mandalorian is it better than that it's just as good yeah that's politic of you yeah no okay it's really good guys we got we got uh um serious people uh waiting to come on bull yeah actually i did a double book here
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and you're welcome okay well i haven't said it just saying hush okay yeah you will the killing is danish it's a data show i got it fellas today's a tough one for me today's guests are from my dream list that is a list that i gave our producer michael before we even began these are people that will never get they're just examples of the kinds of folks that i would die to be trapped in an elevator with i never asked him for an update on pursuing these folks because i never asked him for an update on pursuing these folks because that would
02:36 be a waste of my time but a month ago he surprised me with a text out of nowhere that said these guys were coming on so a tough day for me these fellas are in a band it is in my opinion the best band and has been since they started they have a new band that we're going to talk about but the one you're going to know them from has consistently given us music that is never routine it's always challenging in the best way and never two songs the same they met in school along with their other band mates and they've been playing together ever since 03:07 that's admirable smile because they're as old as we are they've released nine plus albums sold over 30 million copies won six grammys we're inducted into the rock and roll hall in 2019 fellas if this is a dream i'm good to stay down smother me with a pillow and say night night please welcome from my favorite band in the world yes will radiohead tom york and johnny greenway yeah [ __ ] way i knew it i mean when you said that a new band i was like i know it because i've heard that these guys are incredible are you 03:38 kidding me tom and johnny my god what a honor and pleasure to have you guys here jason we saw these guys together did we not like 2003 i i i don't remember if i was with you because i was probably in a blackout of pleasure um but sure if you were there great um they uh where was that well was it hollywood ball will hollywood bowl yeah yeah oh okay well while we're on the subject of that can i can you whisper to us when we might be able to see you live again um or or so radiohead when when do you think we might hear a new album or see you live 04:18 again again something i was going to ease you into but let's get into it no i know you can't even watch it no really no i do well we like to tour when we have new songs and we only have new songs when we make a new record and we only seem to make a record in in increasingly blue moons so who knows but smile smile is you're you're close to finishing that that new single you guys released the other day was incredible to hear thank you yeah that's pretty much that's that way there was a bit of a delay why while we 04:48 what was he doing i actually was trying to do the artwork just trying to do the pictures of all the things to delay a record that is the first time that's been the thing so all the so the songs are done with that and you're just working on the artwork for the for the album uh it's pretty much done um i think i even have a title but i'm going to tell you what that is yet that's taken a long time all right it's all taken a long time i think it's partly just the um not not being able to see each other for prolonged periods of time being told 05:17 to stay indoors was it you know i do a bunch of great research on wikipedia and i think when they did the one thing they did say is that uh or implied is that smile was maybe kind of a covet baby was it something that you guys put like this podcast for us was just us just trying to communicate while we're separated is that is that how smile came about well in actual fact no it came about um [Music] really really quickly and then painfully long uh we we we got into a studio and uh johnny and tom had already it felt like they'd like tracked about 05:53 four things before i even knew what was going on um and then there and then sort of lockdown happened shortly after this is skinner the the the drummer yeah gotcha yeah and then i was left with the what we had recorded on tape which was fine really fun to do to go onto tape again and then then i was sat there trying to puzzle out the lyrics for a very long time locked in a house so and then it was it got sort of protracted and protracted it was deeply frustrating but it's been the same for everybody i mean i haven't figured out a 06:24 way to record vocals like over the internet straight into nigel's studio that was pretty wild wow so i was kind of like virtually into a studio did you do that like like i don't know like on an isdn or like on source connect like yeah so it's connecting there but you know anything after four o'clock forget it because that's when the kids get home from school yeah like that's it yep same have to stop um is that an atypical way for you guys to make music where the music happens first and then the lyrics i apologize but you 06:52 get this question a lot um i've actually asked it a few times to musicians but and and the consensus is that it's a little of each sometimes it's music first sometimes it's lyrics first and or is there like one you prefer is there like a set you know what i really really want to focus on lyrics first because i always find that fascinating too just the birth of a song well it yeah it does depend i think um johnny had come with a bunch of ideas and i hadn't seen him for a while so they all just came pouring out before 07:20 i could go wait wait wait yeah um so there was a lot of uh me sort of retrospectively going okay what am i going to do with that which was really nice is a really like a challenge for me um and then there are other ones like the the one we released last week uh you will never work in television yeah again yeah oh deshaun hayes yeah was that pointed at sean yeah how did you guys know about sean's future like how did it it's i don't think it's unique to sean yeah how did you guys how did you guys do you guys remember writing your f your first 07:54 song like how did that go first ever yeah first ever like was it music for like that how did it i don't know how did it how did you go like hey we've written a song you know what i mean i remember writing one ionos 11 called mushroom cloud but i can only remember half the riff now and none of the lyrics but then johnny i remember johnny and i like we borrowed a four track off someone went round to his mom's house was this at uh what is it abingdon school where you guys all met yeah yes and then and the band was 08:27 on a friday because guys that was when they decided to record right mm-hmm wait back to the songwriting thing do you guys ever because i do this sometimes i'll be dreaming the most incredible like lick or lyrics or something not that i write music but i'm like wow that's amazing i can't wait to wake up i'm going to remember and of course i never remember have you ever dreamt a song and actually remembered it and then wrote it bits bits bits of it but it's never it's it's almost it's always slightly underwhelming 09:00 not quite as genius as you thought it was right at that moment just before you woke up i actually know i know the story of these uh two musicians whom we all know and and revere and who've been doing a long time and i'm not gonna name drop them uh because i i called out for it i will later but he they one of them called up the other one and said what's been going on he said ah man i just i took mushrooms last night and i had the most genius ideas and i wrote them all down hang on let me go get it so he came back and he's like 09:28 i've written down this i have this incredible epiphany and he starts to read it to himself and he goes what does it say and then he goes no it's total rubbish he was so excited he thought like yeah what's that like tom you wake up and you roll over and you just start dictating a a lyric or or a tune into your iphone and and your wife rolls over next to you and it's oh he's come up with another idea she's a very sound sleeper happily there you go but actually um phones are convenient because they have their own lights so 09:58 you can literally wake up at three o'clock in the morning start scribbling and go back to sleep or much or something which i do frequently i mean i have pretty much given up using an actual physical notebook now yeah which is weird for me digitally yeah no point so so the the the the coming together of all of these ideas for a song um you know you guys have consistently been so sort of forward moving with your sound with the progression of your sound to your band and you challenge the audience to kind of get with different time and all that 10:30 stuff i would assume that the moment you hear this new idea from any one of your band mates as you guys introduce them into and building a song out that moment of surprise and um maybe discomfort in a good way has got to be the same for you as it is for us the audience when we first hear it so what is that process like when you hear johnny come in with something that sounds totally bizarre with one of these new instruments that he's working on or or you tom will bring it in with the piano or lyric or something like that 11:02 how much time do you give it before you decide whether it's a fit or not in other words i'll listen to a song 30 times before i'm like oh my god it's my favorite song ever because it does it does it it's rarely on the first one i mean you guys are so beautifully atypical with your rhythms how long what's that process for you guys as you start to meld all of these different ideas into songs johnny you want to try that one wow sorry yeah sorry we'll be right back we have to take a [ __ ] break after that are you 11:36 [ __ ] kidding me bateman jesus [ __ ] this is this is a big one johnny and tom are here please i think it was something about november just finished his fourth beer yeah great song i'm going to be bored halfway through this answer but i'm going to go for it jesus i'll stay awake johnny you and me thank you johnny thank you for your candor wow what what did he ask again what was it about he doesn't even know when you hear weird stuff how long do you take to decide whether it's weird or great well well it's odd because 12:08 we've um i think over there years and decades we've kind of learned to trust when you hear something that just sounds senseless like the early takes of um everything in its right place which is this first song on today and that just sounded like a bizarre noise and this this isn't going to be a song but sure enough after a day or two it suddenly becomes this this magical thing so about six months but anyway yeah do you have do you have those moments like uh johnny were you do so when you come in kind of to what jason was saying 12:46 and this this happens in what we do too whereas like okay well here's the script here's what you're gonna do everybody knows their role you kind of come in and then as you do it magic happens something happens somebody does something a different way somebody says something a way that you didn't and then it you end up finding like a bit you end up finding a moment you find a joke you find something that kind of elevates it and you kind of look at each other and you're and when it's over you kind of like oh that was [ __ ] that 13:13 was cool yeah i mean you're i think that's all the creative stuff you're hoping for the sum of the parts to be you know greater when when things happen together it's the whole sort of you know gestalty thing if i can use that gruesome word sure can i just ask real quickly what are you guys doing here like you know is it because you know why did you say yes is it because you've listened to the podcast and you like it a b your manager made you do it or c you saw sean on broadway and promises promises and you just wanted to hang out with him can you 13:47 tell that i've totally zoomed in on sean that's the only picture i'm looking at we couldn't tell until you all i want to say you know what take a number it's all anybody wanted tom in and johnny i wanted to ask you guys about your influences because you when you guys first came out with your first record that i was aware of i was immediately it was one of those i think it's the hallmark of a really great band to me and i don't mean to embarrass you when you have that thing where you go oh i really like this sound 14:15 i feel like i've i feel like i know this sound like it feels new and simultaneously uh very familiar because it it sort of i always say music that scratches the niche that you didn't know you had in a way and i always felt that way about radiohead's music and i don't know who are the guys that you and and people that you listened to growing up like in high school and who were the bands that you were like oh you just couldn't what were the records you couldn't stop playing like for me i couldn't stop playing the smiths from 14:46 1983 till 1989 i could not stop playing the smiths still playing him still playing him my daughter's now playing them and i'm loving it i mean i suppose for us it was uh you know pixies new order sonic youth bands like that yeah i mean the boston bands we kept calling them we're throwing muses and you know rem oh god throwing music is a great band and did your attraction to um atypical instruments come from your early exposure to classical music from from your dad again some of the stuff that i thought i i i picked up here on the
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internet listening to because i'm a big classical music fan and and so your your sort of openness to all these other instruments was that was that part of that early seating my adolescent fantasy was constantly driving past a music shop and wishing i could go in there and buy an instrument and it was about just being able to buy any instrument it wasn't about collecting guitars or keyboards or something it was like imagine just being able to go in and just buy a clarinet or buy a accordion wouldn't that be amazing 15:51 and that's sort of how my life has panned out now i i do collect these kind of things and i just because you love all the different sounds that they can make and and how that kind of creates a uh sort of like a just a spectrum of i mean it's it's to me it's all technology just some of it is older you know a piano is older technology than a moog and everything but it's still it's still somebody's idea and they and it's a way of making music and and then was it was it a coincidence that you guys all became attracted to 16:19 what technology and electronics can do to enhance and augment all the sort of traditional sounds of of instruments or did one of you sort of start with that and and kind of help the rest of the band uh incorporate that and embrace that i think there was a little bit of when when we first started it was we we were a small band traveling around in a van and um who was driving actually we took in turns me not often because i was usually drunk in the back no time mostly the more responsible members of the band who is that can i guess 16:57 phil ed or tim are our long suffering tool manager and uh it was like i think basically what happened was we all swapped what we were listening to a lot and i think um as the years went on we started listening to different things started sharing morricone watching kubrick films critic films um listening to electronic music discovering kraut rock discovering can discovering this discovering that and johnny it was was always a the multi-instrumentalist could pick up absolutely anything including recorder um and uh yeah i i 17:43 and then we had our own studios so we could like buy equipment and learn how to use it and that was exciting and tell me about how much craft work you guys listened to on the bus in the van huh not enough probably i mean you know we literally study um computer world that album yeah in terms of playing it to each other and discussing what's going on and why it's got it's so good and why sort of we can pretty much list what every instrument was and how they did every and especially they came on tour with us to south america once no 18:17 wow and we had we had a very long prolonged dinner with them where we basically dissected the whole record and asked which instrument and what was used on every single piece of that no way the ultimate geek out that's great wow oh it gave them a completely conversation killing uh opener by going by going out to them such as such they're sweet people and saying hi ralph we're all very scared of you because you know that's how i started this interview you can't move on from that no you can't um what was the kubrick uh influence for 18:51 you guys was it just his his way to um use classical music throughout his his his films and and and that the the power the majesty of that that juxtaposes some of those images was that that does it for me with him yeah i i it was a panda rescue thing in the shining was a really massive one but that i i remember seeing the shining for the first time and and making the connection on a sort of deeper emotional level through that and it just sort of seemed to fit where we were at with okay computer as well at the time you know i 19:25 did morocconi there's suddenly this i i remember when we did that i remember johnny when we had you remember when we did the strings for okay computer yeah and those players were the grumpiest players we've ever had look at what you wrote and they were like oh god i remember that yeah i do remember were there really the the orchestral librarian warned me and he said um don't try and engage their enthusiasm because they don't have any yes yeah wait johnny was that when you was that when you started getting into 20:02 thinking about scoring uh yourself you both scored and tommy says pirates awesome yeah i can't read music this guy's the man who does it i'm pure amateur johnny i mean it's it's just that thing that when we were at school we listened to all this kind of music and we weren't old enough to be scared of trying it and thinking yeah well we could do that you know so the same way we'd listen to a smith song and think well let's try and do that kind of thing but then you'd listen to other people's music even classical stuff and and it all felt like 20:36 why be scared of of being over-ambitious and just trying to but also i don't think we never really saw the difference in the same way other people do do you feel less scared now though i was gonna say do you feel you know that that sort of that that's one of the great things about youth right you're like well [ __ ] why not me i can why don't i try it and then as you get older you start to know i don't know i i can kind of go both ways on this like do do i know my limitations or i also don't care i think the other trouble is you start to 21:04 recognize people who are doing in that music or perhaps acting or whatever in that style that you aspire to and once you know how to sort to do it you get to recognize people who can really do it and are amazing at it and that's that's the moment where you kind of you retreat a little bit and think yeah this is so way beyond anything i could have but you know it just it just means you're kind of you know you're you're aiming and missing but it's it's fun to aim right but the task is different there right with scoring a film i mean you're being
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asked to you're looking at picture um for the most part i don't know if you guys have did it the same way or how you work with with paul but um your look for the most part you're looking at picture and you're being asked to either support frame or juxtapose what the image is what the story is what the scene is about um and you're there in support of um effectively that as opposed to making a song or record it's it's a standalone piece of entertainment um so is it do you enjoy the difference in that in that process 22:04 i just treat it as being in a band still just with you know a director and a script and a cinematographer and you're sort of you're just one part of it and again it's like we talked about earlier you hope that it's going to add up to a better thing and it's going to make the film better and the film will make the music better than it is and and it'll just combine into something that's that's that's an improvement but also i think the best film music is is where there's a bit of a stretch between the two yeah i mean 22:31 it's very easy to do film music that's um prescriptive that's reacting to what you're seeing on the screen but i hate that it drives me mad i can't it makes no sense to me i mean if you're two actors um standing opposite each other on stage and one person is just imitating the movements of another or echoing them there's no point in that you should be bouncing it off and also what i find very interesting in my limited experience is that the fact that the viewer will make connections that you don't necessarily intend 23:03 so that you often times like something that could feel a bit of a stretch stylistically when you put it in a scene can be so much more powerful than uh somebody that's reacting to the scene that's funny that that reminds me of going to your house when you were at college in exeter and there was that there was that thing of the craze was for some reason the tv was on the whole time with the sound down and there were records going on all the time and just the juxtaposition of of almost any image and any music just did 23:36 does something yeah yeah often does a great thing so that's when i started getting into video editing that um i'd moved in the art college i'd moved to doing video and discovered that you can cut anything to anything and and completely change the meaning of it yeah yeah i discovered video editing can be like cutting sound in the sense that you can just your mind will look for connections when they're not there you know uh it's funny you say that i have a follow-up will if this isn't a follow-up it is it is a follow-up hey man i know that you're a 24:06 guest but give everybody else a secret don't know don't let me trouble the puppy yeah thank you don't chuck them so i was watching that danish show that i mentioned the killing last night which oh by the way can i just say this because it's just being edited out isn't it yeah yeah yeah yeah can i just say this i thought like oh it was 12 episodes great so i got i was like the last episode i stayed up walk us through your night this is my girlfriend fell asleep the kids were asleep it was great and then and then it's 24:31 it ended and i looked up and i said no no there are 20 episodes so i've stayed up anyway but my point was my point was i i watched this scene and the score came in and by the way i the music's actually really good in it but it was a very uh this happened last night this moment comes up and this character comes in and and she's about to reveal something and the music comes in and it was totally wrong it was the first time in a long time where i felt like it was completely so and then the scene ended and i thought what the [ __ ] was that did 25:01 somebody like i mean leave us that way through that didn't catch that it was so bizarre yeah and how important it is to so important taking you through emotionally through the scene and where it leaves you for the next scene etc it was yeah it's make or break how did you guys um meet uh paul thomas anderson did you reach out to him did he reach out to you did you guys bump into each other i mean that's just uh it was a long time ago johnny can you remember i think we were recording health of thief in los angeles 25:30 and he invited us to the cast and crew screening of punch drunk love partly partly because he'd taken the title from one of tom's songs oh really i didn't realize that till we got to the screening oh really wow wait a minute and and that was great and then he came to the studio and was sort of i thought i mean can i say hanging out in an english accent without sounding awful british accent do you wanna wear a baseball nothing worse than an englishman in a baseball cap oh even hanging out has made me literally swear 26:05 i don't think we've had anyone hang out in our studio except for for about 20 years although although it has to be no it has to be noted that the english the the use of the term chill or chill out is nice it's exhausting it's the worst mate just gonna chill out for the weekend johnny was it was it pulling teeth for him to get you to uh score uh a film well i mean he just so he took a fan bootleg of this classical thing i'd written and just put it up to the picture and liked it and said can you do more music like this and i didn't really know about 26:39 him or about films or you know it was just like an excuse to have an orchestra to play with and and that was that was the biggest kick still is you know it's amazing he came up to in a hotel around then i mean i ran into him i said i'm i'm going to steal your friend for a bit did it he said he hasn't let him go yeah it's very abusive it's a crazy but i get that you know i did this show for netflix and i and i was like i really wanted for years i wanted to do something with steve malcomus from pavement i was like how do 27:12 i so i wrote this show and i we we quite literally wrote all these scenes knowing that i didn't even know what the music was yet but i knew that i that steve was gonna and then i got to call him and meet him and go would you you know you just it was that thing of like i just had to have and i'm sure paul had the same thing which is like i was so inspired by his music and it was played such a huge role in how we wrote the stuff we were doing it was you know it wasn't the impetus for it but it was it was massive 27:43 and then marrying his music with what we were doing and having sending him all this the cuts and then coming back was such a magical experience for me because it just completed i was like oh yeah it completed exactly the way that i wanted to even though it was new the music was new to me i was like yes every time yes exactly um malcomus is amazing he's genuinely i'll it's one of the few artists whose records i actually look forward to another jigs record coming out then i get excited yes and i know it's going to probably be quite sort of 28:16 um edge just a great guitar player wonderful guitar player like the one guitarist i can you know listen to and just think oh that that's just amazing still amazing instrument yeah um do you guys you know there's there's these really popular docs now the beatles doc that everybody's been talking about and and watching and i watched the beegees one i was i was never a huge fan of the documentary it was just incredible nobody's talking about it thank you uh yeah i know they are actually um do you guys like for fans like like me and
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us to what do you think of them would you ever do one because we would that would be so fascinating unless you've already done one i'm an idiot and i don't there's a great documentary to them on the uh okay computer tour oh yeah but it's the documentary to end all documentaries in the sense that like clearly these people are never going to have a camera shoved in their face again ever i never i never saw that i didn't know that it's very sort of asymmetric and perfect and it's it's it's really cool to watch oh great great i wouldn't 29:14 say atypical if you say no i said that okay i switched to kill my switched it it actually started off as a sort of quite a positive idea and we we it was hey let's let's show people what it's like from the inside and then it just it was really full-on like um it wasn't as if you you just assumed you'd forget about their presence at some point you'd forget but you never did they tried to hide them you could tell did you think at that point did you think or did you hope that you would still be together at now at 50 29:47 like is this is this good news that you guys are still doing it are you loving it as much now as you did then more less i mean the same things make us excited which is technology and sounds and learning new stuff so yeah i don't know i think while the ideas are still you know there i don't know yes i had all i wanted to do all i wanted to do so it just feels like i don't understand yeah never really record do you guys think i hate this question but i kind of wanted great hold it for a second i don't get the sense that you guys are uh 30:27 i don't get the sense that you guys are pressured by having to be new every single album new sounds and all that stuff it did did that sort of healthy level of indifference happen early on and you guys were able to just kind of continue to make new sounds that sound good to you and hopefully the audience will dig it and as a result of that sort of healthy and when you characterize that indifference as sexy it's not sexy and different it's a healthy indifference okay yeah so i to be honest we um like just challenges i like challenges i 31:00 like trying to find different ways to write lyrics um i like to find different ways to assemble music i like to learn new instruments exactly like johnny and and it wakes me up in the morning and probably always will unless i you know lose my ability to think straight because that that's that's there isn't anything else there's not like now we must move into this area like some sort of aesthetic agenda it's like right your your influence about what you're listening to i'm always buying new music i'm always doing that and i'm 31:31 always yeah as you can see from the room i'm sitting in i'm constantly buying things and trying to learn how to use you look like you're like in a 70s like soviet 70s era like space command which is great you know i went on this i went on this retreat once uh that that there's this this woman talking about uh where ideas come from and creativity and she asked a big group of people where do you come up with your ideas and a lot of people are like in the shower in the car you know with my kids or whatever but nobody said in the 32:04 office and so to you guys where they work were they actually supposed to come up with great ideas do you guys get a lot of your when you're in your studio is that kind of like ah does it feel like a dark hole that's like hard to create or is it or does it influence creativity uh different ideas for different things like for me i end up um generating a lot of material and johnny sends me material and then i assemble it all and listen to it in the car that's a way i find of of getting a really good perspective on whatever it 32:39 is so things sort of go into is you work on something you say to yourself i've no idea what this is or john you'll send me something says what do we do with this and they they just arrive on shuffle for a few weeks and then i can sort of see the next stage okay maybe this and then with lyrics it's something completely different where um it'll either be just very quick very easy or months and months of chipping away literally line by line and the sort of most painstakingly weird anal kind of trying things throwing them out trying 33:16 things throwing them out trying things throwing them out and until the point like where sometimes it's just well i've got this syllable and i've got this consonant i've got this syllable and now i'm just going to wait for the rest to turn up all right do you ever do you ever have anybody else tom in like is there somebody in your life like your wife or your kid do you ever play music in the car with your kids and look and see how they react does that ever happen do they think you're as cool as the rest of the 33:42 world no yeah yeah they do they're good what about you johnny do you get feedback off yours so i mean i know you do well i remember being really really anxious that my that one of my sons um wasn't really listening to much music and didn't seem to like music and then this is when it was like sort of 12 11 or something and then he said he said i found something i really like and it's just this artist is called librac and i thought libraries yeah that's an eastern that's a german techno guy i'm sure i've heard of libraries and 34:10 he said but i listened to it all the time and i thought finally he's got some you know exciting cool taste and he gave me his his phone and it was liberace i think i dropped my phone that might have been me i was kind of that's amazing i was totally thrilled i had the same thing my son who's now 13 but when he was about 11. 34:29 and i didn't know what he and then i went to his room and we'd given him an old record player and he had the double record of uh stop making sense talking heads the live record and he was playing it on his own volition that he'd found from mike i was like oh great and i'll just leave him be you know if he let him enjoy it and uh that's a kind of an exciting moment but do you do you have those people in your life who are not like tom who who's not johnny and johnny who's not tom that you listen to the music on your own and they 34:55 go like yeah that's that's great or my my son is a musician as well and he's studying music and when he comes home he comes and sits in the studio and starts giving me advice which i love he's 21. which is brilliant and um i mean we literally talk we just talk about music he comes home we talk about music and instruments then he says right i'm back to college and that's it so that's very odd for me oh great um and uh my daughter comes in and just well it's a it's a smile or a scowl you know i've got one of those 35:30 um and my wife as well my wife is like she'll fixate on a particular song um which is great you know and she'll see stuff in it because she's italian as well she she's not coming to it from a lyrical point of view necessarily straight away you guys should know that last week and i had no idea that you were going to be on the show but but uh last four days ago in the car uh with my 19 month old son playing uh um okay computer yeah um and and just watching his react i tilted the the rear view so i could watch him in because he's in 36:04 the baby seat so i could see him and see his reaction to it it was [ __ ] great man great he was tapping along yeah i remember my son noah was obsessed with autobahn when we were kids autobahn all the time he'd say when he was like one and a half or whatever um you've had so many great songs but aren't you kind of amazed at how many times creep has been reimagined and reinterpreted and i remember hearing this like wire one a long long time ago yeah that was a trailer for a social network that was amazing oh was that what it is yeah but 36:44 um but i've also heard so many other ones i mean it's just so it's it's there's got to be thousands of them well there was there was one there's a friend of mine john takahashi's a fashion designer he he said do you have um any old versions of creep that are a bit longer and i'm like mate of course not yeah so how could you so i sent him one that was just basically he wanted it to be 10 minutes long so i stretched i just stretched it for 10 minutes and it sounded wicked so that's my favorite version what did he wanted for
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just for his walkman for his walk walk thing you know like all these people like dressed with like space gear on and it was wicked i was um uh so getting back to your to your kids do they do they ask you to get them uh tickets sometimes for concerts and if so what what was the last one what are they because i've got a list i've got a 15 year old daughter and a 10 year old daughter and i'm not really thrilled with the kind of music that they make me listen to are they are their musical tastes in line with yours for the most part 37:52 uh well my son doesn't like anything with guitars or drums or anything like that so he'll just listen to kind of classical stuff i've no idea why is it though yeah well you're talking to a guy who listens to classical johnny is it though i mean i literally listened to beethoven mozart and radiohead that's it but surely you have to have a kind of angry you know never mind the bollocks phase of of music i studied classical music for 20 years i'm a pianist and i always thought it was funny when people put on classical music in the background 38:27 as a soothing kind of thing but it will it will be like and they won't know that that back then was like no that was hard rock back yeah it's not supposed to be in the background while you're cleaning your house but i was i thought that was really funny um all right well listen you guys uh i am uh just so thankful that you guys said yes to do this um being respectful of your time uh thank you for giving us some uh it's been totally fun i do worry that it's been overly earnest as things often are with us you know but um no no yeah you know 39:00 just oh wait wait well johnny say something controversial um that would be i mean really helpful yeah let's be idiots for a second well what what's your what's your uh what's your guilty pleasure right now what what are the non-earnest things that you guys are doing are you uh are you watching some bad reality television you've seen the killing have you seen the killings have you seen boba fett what would you be most embarrassed to tell us about right now i'm very good at wurdle oh that's the new thing what's that word is that is 39:30 that an app is that a game yeah word games i love words really i love word games and crosswords he does that's an app i can get no it's it's a website one personal a day the guy is not monetizing it at all it's amazing yeah that's a nap i can get hey why don't you just say i'm old that's a lot quicker i truly am uh tom what what are you uh what are you killing your brain with uh lately is it am i killing with my brain with uh you mean in terms of entertainment yeah um we are currently consuming some uh do you know a tv series called leftovers 40:10 the leftovers oh god oh god do we just i'm getting sucked into that that show's fantastic and how great is that music from max richter is it max victor yeah max richter jason i didn't know you know him he's great isn't he he's genius i love him it's a beautiful show tom if you're watching that right now justin is a friend of the show sadly and so you can just say hi to him right now he's listening because he's always hoping for a mention is he how well there you go he's got to mention it's pretty wicked gotta say but that was a nice offset to 40:40 what i watched before which was downton abbey so don't tell anyone that i watched all of them i loved it i don't think i want to know the answer to this question but i have to ask it do you have any idea that i've used two radiohead songs in ozarks and i was like that was such a shock i had no idea it was coming but um you guys don't approve that stuff right is that that's that's i saw the emails wait did you okay yeah you guys don't approve that i i can read it it was the the greatest day of my life when you guys 41:07 said yes the first time and then when i heard yes no listen i had no idea that was coming on and i was watching that episode and suddenly it's like i know this dex dark comes on no what it made me think what it made me think is it made me really like that song and thinking oh that is you know what it is good we struggled with that song a lot yeah so it was nice i didn't like dexter jason you use the song that they hate the most no no no we just wanted to do it again what we worry about is if we recorded it well 41:38 enough and it was hearing it yeah in the context of that drama and thinking oh this sounds amazing it does sound oh my god what a great thing to hear is that kind of yeah it just takes your focus off the of the recording you're not looking at speakers you're actually looking sometimes it's nice when a record is it finds a place like that rather than the middle of an album where it's got to compete with other things when it gets isolated and thrown on intelli in the middle of a scene a middle of something that's 42:03 happening that you remember visually it's it's great man it stands on its own just fine what about you you haven't heard uh daily mail in the second season have you it we put it in a great spot in that too it's it's just your music is uh pluses anything jason has been a huge fan of we all have but jason is a very vocal fan of yours and he's been pushing your stuff like a like a street dealer for for as long as i've known him uh which is 20 years and uh this is a huge thrill i can say this for him it's a huge thrill that you guys said yes to 42:39 this and it's a thrill for all of us very cool so inspiring and inspired by what you guys do it's incredible well thank you so much and and but you guys did come off as a little earnest so what i wanted right well there's something really hard i'll do some pictures you the one who said that i know you're sounding really earnest i know and i just don't want to buy it back i don't want to buy it back what's your favorite cause this is what i was gonna say before so this is how we can buy it back what's your do you have a song or do you have a 43:07 record of yours that you like the most just just say it that's a shawn hayes question for you yeah ask them what their favorite color is i know i was i'll i'll do that one i'll do that after this prussian blue brush and blue ask them what their which one they hate the most uh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah well dex dark is their their least favorite song no no no no no no now do least favorite songs become b-sides is that is that what b-sides are no i think it's just that you you're sick of the whole album when you release 43:40 it and you can't bear to look at it or listen to it and think maybe maybe it's all terrible and that was the moment of like oh this sounds great but then but then you got to go tour it how do you is that why you guys or you guys or bands tend to change things a little bit when it's live well you know what it's okay so you're you say you're um rehearsing for a theater performance right yeah you get to the you do the address rehearsal you get to dress rehearsals and all you can see is the holes in everything you're 44:04 doing and the gaps and the fact that no one's gonna get it and blah blah blah and then you go and stand in front of people and it comes to life it's the same you finish your record you think oh god oh you feel like you're standing there with your pants down and then you go out and play it in front of people and then it it's a way of getting back to why you did it in the first place it's great and i'm sounding really earnest again so john wait time the way you said that tom the way you said that you reminded you went holes it 44:34 reminded you know that the beginning of what is it is it howls as in hull's yeah it's uh indie world isn't it yeah yeah i knew god the way you said that just [ __ ] that was weird okay sorry um i was obsessed with that right same same same absolutely obsessed with that record especially the photograph on the back you know with that when his handwritten thing like the weight scrolled off yes yes yes both of him standing there with these enormous pants yes the long hair is like oh man that's the coolest thing i've ever seen 45:09 who who did that uh that great strumming who played that guitar on that record it was so um well i think he did the acoustic didn't he and the other was but he hits no he had somebody else on that it's it's so luscious or there's something about the way he plays that acoustic guitar if it's him um on that record god which album is this hunky-dory hungary oh yeah so incredible you ready yeah sorry no keep going no i know please i know i'm boring these guys got it going uh um thank you gentlemen thank you you guys 45:49 are the best you were not earnest at all you were an absolute dream you were very polite to indulge us with our my earnest questions i had some legitimate fan questions about the band so thank you for that in your process it's been nice talking to you guys we'll get we'll get stupid next time we'll do a part two yeah the other way around okay uh thank you guys enjoy the rest of your day and thank you guys nice to meet you thank you jason lovely to meet you nice to meet you all right bye guys thank you thank you thank you thank you bye 46:19 bye all right you can just slam your laptops now did that really happen i don't think it did uh hope did it how was i was that you were terrible can i just say this i know i shouldn't i want to be honest i'm going to speak for the audience it was cute because you were super into it but you were such a bully about asking questions well you wouldn't [ __ ] let i got i got 25 these are my heroes and you you never took your foot off the gas you never took your shot am i right i thought i thought everybody did a wonderful job 46:53 sean you know what no jason i'm giving you a hard time you were great i know you loved them so much and that's why i had to tell them because i knew that you couldn't even really say it in the way you wanted to well it's hard when it's your guess and you really really like them i i know it's hard they're great i was i did i did some prep for this i was up i was up two hours ago writing questions i only got to half of them wow well we'll have them back on yeah uh but my god i i i still can't really understand what 47:25 they're doing here i know do you think they saw you in promises promises sean do you think that's what it was they must have heard theresa's commercial it must be how about how about my question about the doc and i'm like would you guys ever do it they did one and i was so embarrassed i know no they didn't i did i was i was wondering about correcting you on that but then i thought well it would be rude if i didn't know that yeah right right um you're allowed to not know it yeah because they're not your guest you know who's a huge 47:52 radiohead fan is uh bradley cooper brad i remember when oh yeah kid a k he was like he couldn't stop talking about it dude radiohead dude dude radiohead you know how he gets like super into i don't know how they keep making every song every album totally different than the last one no it's incredible super challenging and it ends up being even better than the last album you know it's wild too it's like i think the like personalities that we've had musicians on the show before they all seem very kind of docile and
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interviews and very kind of quiet and then you get on stage and they're like running around you know crazy singing jumping and screaming their heads up like they they're just so effusive and come out of their bodies when they're performing but that's their space like they're not musicians aren't they're not they didn't sign up for like doing interviews and on camera stuff and all that you know it's like like athletes you know they're running around like crazy on the field but you put a camera in front of them and you know 48:49 that's not their natural spot and i think they're appropriately reserved yeah i just think it's interesting i've always loved this lyric of theirs which is i'm just too which is i'm reading it obviously but it's her green plastic watering can for her fake chinese rubber plant in the fake plastic earth that she bought from a rubber man in a town full of rubber plans to get rid of itself and i just want to say how does he come up with that and i want to say man take a knee okay because you've written something crazy 49:21 and you've written something really at the same time simultaneously really i think it's profound i feel right well that was one of the things i wanted to ask him when he was talking about lyrics mind-blowing but i didn't want to embarrass him and prompt him into giving an earnest answer but how do you grind and make such great lyrics such sort of you know off-center lit and and then not articulate them in the song or on stage such that people can hear them verbatim and appreciate their specificity you know like people who write poetry they 49:56 really love that they're writing poetry and you can read it and know exactly what they said right oftentimes lyrics you can't understand what the singer is saying yeah because but poetry that in that medium that that that's what is sort of incumbent upon the the the writer to that's how you express it through those words the words need to be heard in that way with a song it's not necessarily about the words at all and as we know lots of songs have no words right but but in his case he's clearly taking care to to really right but then 50:23 you just you you buy the album and you read the lyrics yeah and that's part of the discovery we're like i always think to you know it's kind of like we were saying when we had david byrne on about like what is that what did that mean to you you know because those lyrics meant so much to so many people he's like oh i was just trying to imitate remember the am radio they meant nothing to me so i'm sure i don't know but you could i would imagine i wish we'd asked them if you know if all of us could have had a question on there other than jason i 50:49 would have said to him he probably would have said yeah the words mean something to me but if you interpret it a different way that's great too i love that part of we don't need to boil it all down to what does this mean what is this black and white blah blah blah it's just kind of yeah open to interpretation i felt badly bringing up the song creep but it's like yeah it's a gigantic massive uh i don't think they will song now yeah he did feel badly but i remember he was saying his friend asked for it and he sent him this like 51:20 but just like any band with like their their big hit back then you're going to be calling you're going to be asked about ozark the rest of your life i'm going to ask about will and grace you're going to be asked about arrest development both of you you know i mean everybody gets asked about that one big thing right they just probably hate playing it live i'll bet i bet yeah i i wonder if they do though again it would have been nice to have had the opportunity to interview radiohead guys i've been nervous about this 51:48 for six weeks wow okay it's been hard for me not to mention it to either one of you yeah oh god i'm so glad it's over they're one of the greats they're they'll go down in history as one of the greatest bands i think they were cool guys and obviously you know they're i know you hate when i use the term artist but god these guys are the real artists and listen it's sort of uh asymmetric and atypical um you buried that word today atypical two they're gonna be they're clowning you right now in a text chain i was nervous 52:20 i'm sure they are they are clowning you they're like mate did you hear this [ __ ] they think we're the biggest idiotic american wankers of all time guaranteed right now they're like who the [ __ ] made us go and get interviewed by these american wankers i know by the way have you seen the new american wankers it's so good it's on amc oh it's so good they have the big come to jesus moment it's about an orgy in a church wait what yeah american bikers but i'm starting to think about a bye do you guys have a good one the word alibi 52:57 but i don't know oh well that's the thing in the killing i watched that show the guy the dynamic the danish show and i'm at the part right now 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